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Martial Arts: Wing Chun

Wing Chun was developed when several grandmasters of the Shaolin temple systemised the best parts of the Chinese martial arts, to form a martial art that was practical and faster to learn than the other styles. Wing Chun aims to deflect force in combat rather than meet force.

Wing Chun uses a centre line theory that is based around attacking vital targets along a central line of the body. Two weapons are taught, the dragon pole and butterfly knives, which are used as a pair. Wing Chun also uses the wooden dummy to practice striking and blocking techniques. Wing Chun also uses a partner exercise called Chi Sao, where two partners practice various arm exercises together, to gain better reflexes and response to attacks.

Origin of Wing Chun: China

Founder of Wing Chun: Ng Mui (A female nun of the Shaolin Temple)

Popularised by: Yip Man, Bruce Lee, William Cheung

237 Responses to “Wing Chun”

  1. Paul Says:

    Hi, just a little note to say it’s generally accepted that Ng Mui “invented” Wing Chun outside of the Shaolin temple (therefore on her own), after the temple was destroyed.

  2. Dan Says:

    Hi, just a note to say that I have studied a variety of martial arts and after discovering wing chun there is nothing else I would do. It is easy to learn, completely applicable to real-life situations, and it dominates over most other forms of self-defense.

  3. Brandon Says:

    Needless to say Wing Chun is a great art. But it seems to have a lack of ground fighting. This may be false, maybe it is just my dojo, but I’ve yet to learn any ground fighting techniques. Maybe it’s just because the first couple of weeks are learning striking techniques and blocking techniques? It’s hard to do research on Wing Chun mainly because I’ve yet to find any Wing Chun websites. But seeing as how it is a style of kung fu, grappling, chokes, throws, groundfighting, etc is included, correct? Eh I’m sorry but I am a little unknowing of the art, and I haven’t been with it too long. Thanks alot guys.
    -Brandon

  4. Prodigal Son Says:

    this for Brandon who made the comment about WC not having any ground fighting tecniques….why train to fight on the floor? remain on your horse!!

  5. Dan Says:

    To back that last comment up, wing chun teaches how to stay on your feet by avoiding tackle techniques and throwing push style strikes off to the side. A master of wing chun would never be taken to the ground.

  6. Kenshin Says:

    Obviously, you people have never been in a fight before. And I’ve noticed that all these people who posts replies who are supposed experts in martial arts are probably the same people who would get the crap kicked out of them by a 10 year old.

    Let’s face it, in the modern world, no one fights like a martial artist. Everyone’s first instinct in a fight is to charge at the person with arms flailing. I’m not gonna knock on WC either, I’m a student of martial arts, but I’m not going to try to impress you people and tell you everything I’ve studied, I’ll just say that I am a practitioner. But I am a person in the real world.

    There is a difference why some schools teach ‘martial arts’ and some teach ‘self-defense’. They may be the same thing, but the schools that teach self-defense teach you for that reason. Martial arts is a way of life, but that 6 foot redneck with liquor on his breath isn’t going to conform to your lifestyle, so sometimes you just need something to knock the punk out.

    The best advice I could give to someone wanting to learn different techniques is to go to different schools. Schools I’ve been to taught kicks, punches, and the usual martial art. Some schools teach how to evade someone charging you and go straight for the knockout( elbow to the throat, or just grab a pipe!)

    Regardless of what you study, DO NOT confuse one for the other! For instance, Wing Chun teaches you how to fight standing up, just like the last post said, don’t fall down is the call! Well, that’s okay in class. But not in a dark alley. But WC does teach you speed, blinding speed. And that can be very useful against someone who doesn’t expect a real fight out of you.

  7. BattlEMasteR Says:

    I’am obessed with the concept of Wing Chun and the whole center line theory. I believe it’s great for ordinary self-defense technique against opponents. In respect to one art being better then another is Bullsh*t. Taking a look at any art. It’s the person that brings that art to life. NOT THE ART. You can study whatever you want and frankly, if the other person put in more BLOOD, SWEAT, and TEARS into his training routine, you will get your ass kicked. BOTTOM LINE.

  8. Brandon Says:

    Hi again guys,
    Training has been great! I couldn’t be happier with it. As for the above debate I have to side with the theory of putting blood sweat and tears into it.
    But once again, I have a question, or a concern. Alright, here’s the situation. Your opponet is in a righty stance (his or her left foot forward). I was always taught to fight on the blind side. You could stand in a right handed stance yourself, which I do. But if you did so, you would be giving your opponet your blind side, but the only strike they could really pull off is a backfist which is easily blocked, and I’m sure you could hit them before they moved.
    I’m talking self defense, not sparring with another student, so you may want to consider the fact they might not focus on the blind side.
    Should you switch guard all together? Or give up your blind side? I realize it may be a dumb question, but it has me puzzled.
    Thanks again you guys, happy training and good luck to all of you!

  9. Jay Says:

    I have been learning Wing Chun for almost a year – I know its not a long time. I would probably switch my guard to line up parallel with the opponents lead hand and go for the blind side just because its easier to deal with 1 arm then 2.

    My Sifu always says you have options it all depends on what you want to do.

    Since I haven’t learned many tactics my options are limited at this point and thats another reason I would go for the blind side.

    Have any of you other wing chun students gone to a seminar with William Cheung?

  10. Jay Says:

    The same centre line theory used in stand up is used on the ground.

    I feel the best part of wing chun comes after u have learned the fighting. The healing aspects, qi power/healing, pressure points/dim mak, and the history.

    Something else I think is in real combat (war) if you go to the ground you are done because your oppenents buddy is gonna grab you from behind or kick you in the back of the head.

    The same thing can be said about street fights you go to the ground and thats all folks lets face it there are no rules to fighting and if you are out numbered it is best to stay off the ground.

  11. Jay Says:

    I agree that who ever trains harder will most of the time come out on top.

    But in a dark alley if you are out numbered and you end up on the ground you might as well fold up in the fetal position and get ready for punishment.

    If you land on your knees and your name is Seagal get ready for fun.

  12. J-Byrd Says:

    I have been practicing Wing Chun for a while now, and have found most of it’s power to be in the classic t-stance; the one where you keep your fist in the palm of your other hand in front of your chest or throat and your elbows out. Of course, the style’s weakness would be the gut. If anyone has any suggestions to help me improve my skills or any exercises you think I might benefit from feel free to e-mail me at pyro_byrd666@hotmail.com. I’m also interested in learning about it’s history and any other martial arts. If you have any questions, I’d also do my best to answer them. Thanks.

  13. RJL Says:

    I have studied Wing Chun for a while now, and can see that it is a great style. The centre line theory is extremely effective. What our club does now is mix in Choy Li Fut, Hung Gar (5 animals) and jiujitsu (for ground fighting)to give us the adaptability you need for real life situations. Lets face it, sometimes following your centreline will not acheive your goal, but if you can adapt your footwork and change styles quickly, it makes is much more difficult for your opponent to anticipate your move.

  14. lee auty Says:

    studied wing chun briefly. Very good martial art. The speed is awesome.Visually unflamboyant because the movements are so economical but when you see a 5ft skinny lass anihilate heavy muscled bruisers at gradings then any question of its effectiveness is answered.

    However, an opponent articulate in a throwing style may pose a big problem. As it is a close range martial art it may have problems with ranged styles. As for groundwork the wing chun philosophy is try not to get on the ground and if you do get up quick. In a real life situation with an opponent, if you are on the ground with him then his mates are probably kicking you in the head :)

  15. Iskander Says:

    Hey from Greece. I practice Wing Chun after tried lots of other martial arts for many years. I honestly believe that there is not a GOOD or BAD martial art, as this depends only on your mental and physical skills. However, there is a strong sense that there is a COMPLETE martial art and a FLEXIBLE martial art, that is the extend that this art can apply to all oponents. I havnt tried JKD but i thought of it before going to Wing Chun. Obviously i chose the original style for better basis, which worked fine for me. Wing Chun is a COMPLETE martial art.

  16. Brenden Says:

    I agree with the aurgument that style isn’t as important as the student. I study many different martial arts as well as basic self-defense and I think that both are important. It’s great to know how to hold your own on your feet and its awesome to know what to do on the ground. Every style is unique and important, each has strengths and weaknesses. The Martial Arts are about facing your weaknesses and turning them into strengths, so more power to anyone who can, regardless of what kind they study. (I calmy step off the soapbox) Thanks for listening.

  17. Joe Porter Says:

    Hi i was wondering I have done Judo and for 10 years. I gained a Sciatica injury during football (Gridiron for those that are Americans) I am wondering whether wing chun would be of any benefit to recovering from this back pain. Or do you know of any other Styles that can alleviate and strenthen my Sciatica?

  18. Joe Says:

    If you are proficient in wing chun, and it takes at least 4-5 years to become a good street fighter, throwing or ranged styles are no problem. Bombarding someone with a series of fast punches will make it hard for them to throw you. Range styles can be countered with effective footwork and with fast a short kicks. One must understand that a wc master does not care which style his/her opponent is using. And there is only a handful of those in the world.

  19. Chris Chan Says:

    I agree with your way of thinking and find that in a street fight, one does not think of doing this and that to your opponent. If you can respond instinctively to your aggressor and defeat him with minimal amount of effort there is indeed no need to further complicate things. Of course, the type of discipline needed to face these situations needs actual experience and not just something you can think up.

  20. Joe Says:

    One thing my instructor always repeats when we train-always imagine a guy twice your size, half-drunk coming down on you like a train. We train to stop guys like these and we can do it quite effectively if you know how to train it. But it takes years and years of training before you are ready for a real street fight with a guy twice your size.

  21. Kick the big guy Says:

    I don’t agree that it takes years and years. Big guys are easier to hurt than you think. Their size can even be a real disadvantage if you know how to exploit it. If you’ve ever sparred with a boxer smaller and quicker than you, you know it can be hell to get a glove on them.

    On the other hand, hitting you is far less difficult. Boxing may not be sufficient to take a big guy down, but kicking and kneeing the legs will stop a big guy real fast. I’m not here to disrespect Wing Chun or anything, but I’ve been training in Muay Thai for a couple of years now here in Khorat, Thailand. If I can put a good dent in rock-hard heavy bag, I can put a good dent in a big guy.

    Another thing to consider is how the guy moves, his balance. Someone half-drunk coming down on you like a train has already overcommitted. You should be able to exploit this. Even if he’s not charging, his stance is not likely to withstand a straight kick. You can put big guys on their ass with a push kick if you catch them right.

  22. Joe Says:

    Muay Thai in Thailand-you have my respect.It is that maybe you and I have different ideas about proficiency.I have been training wc for a year and a half now and I can use it an a real fight.But for me proficient are fighters who can defeat most opponents within few seconds or simply toy with them as they choose and are not close to being masters of the art.

  23. Heath Says:

    I was reading some of whats been said about lack of ground work. It is true that Wing Chun is weak in this area we do train to deal with these things but we don’t normally go to the ground. My class has trained a bit on the ground and I think all Wing Chun schools should add it in just to cover any problems that may come up.

    Most Wing Chun people I have seen in fights were beat on the ground and I have been in many arguments over the effectiveness of the style due to the lack of knowledge of ground fighting. All Wing Chun people from all branches must learn these things or else we will never get out of this problem.

  24. Joe Says:

    Fighting is 80 percent foot work. When I first started wc I could not even see my instructor move-and I trained other arts before. And by certain wc standards he is quite slow.

  25. Ryu Says:

    Hey can anyone answer my question. Would wing chun be good for real self defence?

  26. Jay Says:

    Definitely! excellent for real self defence.

    This art is about defending against stronger and bigger attackers. It allows the practitioner to conserve energy and avoid getting hit as well as neutralizing an attacker in the fastest means possible. You don’t need to be strong or fast or big. You can actively participate in wing chun until the day you pass. Just like tai chi. Of course if you are strong, big, and fast it is only a benefit, but it is not necessary.

  27. Trevor Jefferson Says:

    TJ Wing Chun is my 30 years of self-investigation to understand myself, developed through 20 years of instructing to teach others to understand themselves.

    Using simple knowledge of scientific principles from Newtonian physics to psychological and emotional reactions.

    TJ Wing Chun is not the ONE AND ONLY method of Wing Chun/Martial Art; over the years I have been encouraged by the steady growth of realistic martial arts, away from the days “When I were a lad” of the two-a-penny demigod instructors who had little behind them apart from who they CLAIMED to be taught by.

    Any idiot can say, “I was taught by a Grandmaster Su Chin Such” they are still an idiot!

    As TJ Wing Chun is only an expression of how I understand my personal body mechanics related to the reality of confrontation, it is applicable to anyone interested in developing their fighting knowledge, whether Wing Chun, other martial arts, MMA, JKD or boxing.

    It is my strong belief that what makes Wing Chun the force throughout the world of martial arts are the fighting principles and concepts that run through all of the forms right from the opening of Siu Lim Tao to the closing of Biu Gee.

    Centreline theory and the simplistic approach to the situation that you might be facing, reducing the number of responses to a minimum, only expanding with the necessity of need and circumstance not to prevent classroom boredom.

  28. Trevor Jefferson Says:

    The last submission was taken from a notice for a forthcoming seminar in the uk, however what I will say with reference to Wing Chun generally is that the syustem has no gaps only instructors who cannot apply or are not aware of the self defence applications that exist in the system. The forms are merely a catalogue of the ways that the different muscle groups of the body can generate kinetic energies and Chi Sau is a method of experiencing how we interact with an opponent in contact.

    Yet I know where Kenshin is coming from I work for years as a doorman in Newcastle UK and live in an area where there are alot of shaved gorillas with very bad attitudes, and if your practise of any martial art is learning to defend punches that resemble an attack by a wet lettuce then you are not going to be prepared for the street.

    But we don’t have to give friends who we train with brain damage via full contact sparring to make an individual who can protect themselves in a violent confrontation, only give them the knowledge and understanding to react realistically when their life is threatened.

    Anyway enough for the moment take care out there and remember to always smile before you hit someone, you don’t want them to think it is personal lol

  29. Ryu Says:

    Can anyone answer my question would wing be good against street fighting?Would it be better to learn than boxing.

  30. Trevor Jefferson Says:

    In my mind Wing Chun was designed to fight against people who can fight rather than most other systems that began life as exercises that developed over hundreds of years martial capabilities. Once the Shaolin system had become more openly taught and there were accomplishes fighterws on the street who did not live their lives by the tenets of the monks a system needed to be found to fast track real self defence and in my mind that was the precursor to Wing chun.

    The only problem with how effective Wing Chun is against a street fighter in not in the system but how it has been either taught or practised.

    Boxing can be a better fast track to general street defence but as it deals with essentially the same weapons as a street fighter minus kicks to the groin, eye gouging and biting, it would not prepare you for that level of violence, whereas Wing Chun when fully understood does.

  31. Ray Says:

    I have studied many martial arts in my time and Wing chun is a very good one. But anyone can be put to the ground from behind making a Wing chun expert useless on the ground.

  32. Rory Says:

    In reply to DAN above any guy can get taken down from behind or by two people. The best martial arts have grappling and groundfighting. Wing chun is a good stand up art, but not suited to all fighting occasions.

  33. Robert Says:

    Hello,

    I am actually choosing between two options to start studying MA: Wing Chun, Kenpo Karate or another style called Ryu Te (Ryukyu Kempo). Do you have any ideas about which style would have an overall balance between workout, self defense and street fight application?

    Thank you very much

    Rob

  34. Ryu Says:

    Hey Robert I think you should choose wing chun. I dont know if it would give you a good workout but I could be use on the streets. Or many karate but it depends what kind of karate.

    I recommend Kyokushinkai/Kyokushin (same style). It would be good on the streets too and it would give you a good workout. Last kenpo I don’t know much about it so I can’t answer you on that one.

  35. lee auty Says:

    wing chung as self defence ? well yeah :)

  36. Old Guy Says:

    The debate about ground fighting is a non starter in my books. No martial art is the final solution. If you want groundwork study some Gracy techniques. It’s up to you to decide where you need to improve.

    Wing Chun is an excellent in your face, keep the other guy from hitting you while you tie him up long enough to hit him kind of art.
    Great stuff to know but if you think you’re done once you master wing chun think again.

    At first any martial art is a revelation. After a while if you really study it you see the gaps in your technique and it is up to you to find the next martial technique to study to fill those gaps in.

    One last point. If all you ever encounter is other martial artists using the same style your gaps will not be apparent. Gotta get out more.

  37. Joe Says:

    Getting a WC master to the ground is not an easy thing – I mean a REAL masters – not many of them.

    They are extremely fast – you will not be able to see them move. One good punch is all it takes for a master to seriously injure a man.

    One last thing. Real WC has energy flow control. People proficient in the style cannot be pushed or lifted from the ground. I think that there is something similar in Aikido.

  38. White Sash Says:

    Wing Chun has ground fighting. I’m not going to say how, (because these are questions that require answers from the Sifu), but Wing Chun has ground fighting.

    So, it’s not the infamous MMA of BJJ-Kickboxing, or Judo, or whatever other arts are designed to take an opponent down with take-down techniques, or throws.

    Think of it this way, because youre laying down, why would you fight differently?

  39. CHRISTIAN K Says:

    I think Wing Chun if a very skillful way of fighting and should not be taken lightly because of lack of ground work.

    If the person learing wing chun was taken to the ground if he has basic skill in the art then he will strike whoever is attacking when on the floor how ever posible and if has speed then will be able to go for the knees or shins maybe giveing him a chance to get back on his feet.

  40. sam Says:

    Ok first off there is no way to glue your feet to the ground using chi or watever you can be move.

    nothing against wc as a matter of fact i like it a lot but there are no magic powers out there and if yor think there are please dont reproduce.

    anyone interested in self defense or just being a better fighter should study and practice multiple styles they all have somthing to contribute and yes a wc master is not somone i would go looking to fight and no they wouldent be easy to take to the ground but there hardly invinceble and they can still be taken to the ground by a skilled aponent.

    like bruce lee said “if somone wants to bite your nose and that is there main gaol then there is very little you can do to stop them” meaning if somone is trying to hurt you in a particualr fashion such as taking you to the ground then its no easy thing to stop them even for a wc master.

    with all due respect
    Sam Wright

  41. Joe Says:

    There is nothing magical about it or about Chi. It is all a matter of training.

    When we exercise every time I punch my instructor to the chest I go back and he does not move an inch. The same thing happens to him when he trains with his instructor.

    It is nothing magical-only hard training of stances. And it is true that most people cannot move or lift masters from the ground-how do they do it I do not know but I have seen it. The sad part is that a lot of wc schools do not know about this.

  42. danny Says:

    Wing chun is good at close range but when someone grabs you it is totally useless due to no grappling moves

  43. badfun Says:

    *Wing chun is good at close range but when someone grabs you it is totally useless due to no grappling moves *

    Wrong,Wing chun has ground fighting however it translates from all of the forums including mook jong.So in order to be a sucessful WC ground fighter you need a good knowlegde of the forms.It is true however that it should be fairly hard to “take down” a WC fighter if they have good rooting and decent foot work.Most of the grapling in wing chun also translates to the ground moves.

  44. ChareXen Says:

    hello i have done wing chun for some time now and wing chun is a style designed for defence. ok try not to get yourself on the ground but wing chun teaches you how to figh on the ground too.Biu Tze is a recovery form incase you make a mistake it will gain the centreline back. so really you do need your foot any higher than your waist,(thats what your hands are for) and be honest Wing Chun is one of the few martial arts that acctually work
    Dont think feel, if you get cought up so much with thinking in a fight it will jam your thinking will your shock and you will freeze, so just let your hand do your work let you brain sit out.

  45. Brace Lee Says:

    Wing Chun was named after a beautiful lady

  46. Joe Says:

    Offense is the best defence.WC is incredibly direct and offensive.It was designed to end a fight in a matter of seconds.

  47. james oliver Says:

    im a practioner in wing chun an BJJ and i can safely say that you cant be a complete fighter without ground experience just look at the video of royce gracie kicking some kung fu guys butt because he didnt have any ground fighting history. basically all fights end up on the ground and i would advise anyone who is serious about getting out of a fight alive to train in a system that recognizes this fact

  48. No Shadow Kick Says:

    You are new to Wing Chun, Brandon. Wing Chun have so much more for you to discover yet. Be patient and work hard on your technique. However, I understand your concern about ground technique. There are technique in WC to deal with the situation. Don’t worry.

  49. Ryu Says:

    So does wing chun teach you ground techniques or not.I know it teaches you grappling techniques But what about ground? Its stand up is amazing.I would recommend it to anyone wanting to learn good stand up.

  50. Frederick Chagaong Says:

    Hi,

    I have trained under William Chueng in Wing Chun for around 8 years in Australia. I can tell you after doing kickboxing for 2 years and boxing for 1 – wing chun is by far the fastest martial art I have ever tried.

    Chi sao or “sticky hands” is the best in fighting technique I have ever trained with to increase speed and responsiveness.

  51. guy@aol.com Says:

    Let me just Say this. martial arts are great for the mind, body, and soul. but Boxing is a real life fighting art that demands complete balance the whole body works together with the will of the mind so many people think that when they see martial arts in a movie that it is real- it is beautiful to look at but in real life if you really believe that bruce lee would have beat mike tyson or floyd mayweather you really need to take a good look at the speed and power of these fighters compared to martial arts to understand that there is no way any martial artist could stand up to a boxer

  52. Joe Says:

    I agree that boxers are among the best fighters in the world-that is more than obvious.Now,regarding martial arts.What you see in movies is nothing more than a dance show for the audience-with a few exceptions.Real figting is brutal and savage.What you see in most “martial arts tournaments” has very little to do with the art-what you see is sport-A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE!!!WC is a martial art-no belts, special uniforms or rules-at least there shouldn t be.It is very direct,brutal and designed to end a fight in seconds.A good WC figter does not stop until the opponent (or the wc practicioner)is down.WC is brutal-if a WC practicioner punches an opponent more than once and only knocks him out then he should practise more-a lot more.The goal is to make serious damage-something has to break-jaw,neck,knee-take your pick.

  53. Paul Says:

    Im with Joe, Boxing is a sport, aimed at defeating an apponent with rules, certain boundaries, gloves.. A decent level WC student will quite confidentally face up to a good boxer. Also, a boxer only utilises half his body. You would only have to Kick at a boxers legs, groin, knee, to defeat them. As for speed, this is something WC promotes, provided you can correctly execute the movement. The World record of punches is 428 punches a minute, is from a WC instructor!

  54. Void Says:

    You know it’s a real shame to see so called martial arts practitioners bagging one style or another or living in a dream land and muck such statements as “just stay on your feet”…implying there’s no need to learn grappling/ground/submission styles or to apply these when fighting. My background from a kid is strike fighting and I always prefer knocking an opponent out – be it in competition or on the street, but I have found that in clubs or on wet surfaces you can easily end – up or start up on the ground – or having to follow your opponent to the ground. I have also competed in MMA and find that often upending and taking an opponent to the floor is the most efficient way to go.

    I truely think that the best thing anyone can do is take the best things different styles have to offer and mould them for themselves, you can always keep your core system but this in itself will not always prevail.

  55. Void Says:

    With respect, i agree that a decent level WC student may face up to a good boxer cofidently but I disagree with the premise that they will confidently hold their own – in general. I have praticed martial arts for many years and have also tried WC (albeit only for 2 yrs) alongside my grappling and karate training. I have fought boxers in MMA and have found them in close extremely quick with great combos – but have been able to beat most of them with high kicks and leg attacks – which they are not used to.
    I have never competed against, that I know, an epxerienced WC practitioner – they don’t seem to turn up much to full contact fights but have sparred with black shirt high level ones and found them also lacking in leg defence and high kick defense.
    I have also seen members of my WC (at the time)club fight boxers in wushu-like competitions and watched them outclassed in close.
    This is only a generalisation as it all comes down to the individuals training regime and experience (and heart) but I don’t think your average WC stacks up against your average boxer with a bit of street sense (ie aware of the possibility of groin attacks).
    I love WC and the ideal of it but moved away from it as a serious component as I found the lack of both concerted submission/grappling and the use of legs as a fundamental stumbling block. I have of course taken the essential concepts of centre line and evasion/deflection from WC.

  56. monica Says:

    Hello all! I am making a holiday gift for a friend who was honored as a Wing Chun Warrior. I would like to use the symbol that is tatooed on the palm of their hand for Wing Chun Warrior, but I can’t ask him for a copy (it would kinda ruin the suprise). Does anyone have it? Thanks!!

  57. Martin Crinkle Says:

    Hello Brandon my name is Martin Crinkle.I have been studying wing chun for a couple of years now. Dispite popular beleif there IS ground fighting in wing chun if you find the right teacher. Alot of people will tell you “you dont need ground fighting because you should never end up on the ground” I personaly beleive this to be a niave statement anyone training for practicality will know that going to the ground may not be your choice. I will not go in to the senarios of how you may end up on the ground but if you been in a real fight you will know the possibility is there. Even if your school has ground fighting techniques you will not have come across them yet as you are only on the first form. ground fighting techniques will be taught with the biu jee form. This is the form when you are taught emergency techniques when you make a mistake or things go wrong and quess what going to the ground is one of those things. so it stands to reason that it is taught at that point of your traning.
    I hope this has given you a bit more insight as brief as it may be. good luck with your training M.C
    P.S if you are interested in finding physical proof that ground fighting excists look at the videos done by Randy Williams.

  58. Toner Dan Says:

    Hey Brandon and Martin: If there is any Wing Chun Groundfighting, it must be either an aspect that died out, never exxisted, or is a a relatively new aspect of this already awesome martial. For example, though I have a profound respect for Wing Chun’s, William Cheung, it’s neverthe less clear from the recent Cheung/Boeztepe encounter (youtube or google video) that Cheung was not trained in it by Yip Man, nor anyone else, for that matter. I’m not talking about who won that encounter but about this Chueng’s obvious lack of ground fighting training. The guy is amazing on his feet, but on the ground, Wing Chun’s centerline/central line theories were completely non-existant. Fontunatley or not, our UFC “real world” environment, has forced this issue of any possible lack in Wing Chun Grapppling Methods into the public arena where hopefully this almost bordering on the perfect martial art, Wing Chun, have to deal with it to it’s own enrichment.

  59. matt Says:

    I have been taking wing chun for about 2 1/2 years now. even from the begining, grappling and ground fighting have been part of my training regiment. i came straight out of shotokan karate, and there is no comparison; wing chun teaches you straight street defence. i have been in many fights and got the crap kicked out of me before wing chun. However, Ever since i started ive even been able to hold my own against a boxer( immediate trapping and neck stricking)

  60. John Simons Says:

    Actually, Wing Chun has many ground fighting techniques. CRCA Randy Willams Wing Chun has a very good ground fighting curriculum. It is not commonly practiced by many other Wing Chun networks, but the CRCA Network trains ground fighting. I teach wing chun ground fighting.

  61. ste j Says:

    Hi there.

    I practice a foreward thinking style of. wing chun , Ng Gar Tien based in Runcorn Cheshire. At our club we train in all areas of combat. We do train ground work as its important to roll and get flight time under yr belt. Training wing chun whilst standing only is a follish thought as almost every fight on record, ends up on the floor. Look at proffesional thai boxing!!!

    I love wing chun and its the instructors that are responsible to teach all angles of combat. Luckily for us sifu NG is such an instructor

    Regards

  62. sammo Says:

    Wing chun is a great martial art that will help you out in a confrontation if all other avenues have been exhausted ie talking & running away.

    Our club teaches ground skills and we roll on the mats. If you miss out on this part of training you miss out on such a big portion of your arsenal and hope you dont end up on the floor.

    So the answer is yes , our wing chun club teaches the ground game

    Ng Gar Tien Wing Chun Runcorn Cheshire

  63. Chris Says:

    Traditional Wing Chun which uses the central line rather than the centre line, it is different. William Cheung is the Grandmaster Traditional Wing Chun and described by Bruce Lee as “The Greatest Street Fighter In the World” And also “the most deadliest Fighter in the World”.

    Who knows, he could be, i have trained with him once. Now, my sifu’s sifu is extremly practical and Wing Chun and very very fast, William Cheung Was TOYING WITH HIM. Theres also a lot of controvery surronding him but i practise TWC and know it is probably superior to the other branches.

    Wing Chun practiciors are preety damn fast when it comes to fighting, emphasizing reflexes, quick punches which pack a lot of power and make use of temple shots, and shots to the ribs etc.

    Weaknesses though is lack of footwork, im a TWC practicioner and i know for a fact that Wing Chun is better of just fighting on the spot rather than moving around unless ur moving forward onto your opponent because it is not as fluent as boxing or muay thai.

    Yeaah, so just a background check there for you’s on Traditional Wing CHun.

  64. Wing Chun Says:

    Wing chun a self defence system,using economy of movement,directness and simplicity,to overcome physical strength.Classes are friendly with the emphasis on your development.Regular trips to Honk Kong,for ongoing development in wing chun with Master Ip Chun,the son of the founder Ip Man,who taught Bruce Lee?
    Sifu Michael Arnold.

  65. Joe Says:

    It is not true that WC is lacking when it comes to footwork.80% of fighting is footwork and WC has highly developed and fast footwork.As for WC not being fluent,from my experience it is very fluent as there are no pauses when fighting-by that I mean there is no “one or two punches and then stop”-it keeps going.

  66. Chris Says:

    Sorry bro. I didnt mean to say WC wasnt fluent. HELL NO. I practise WC and IT IS FLUENT, i just noted that Arts such as Boxing or Muay Thai have more fluent footwork.

  67. Rakh Says:

    Alright, I hear that wing chun is good for self defense and fighting, but how can that be if it only includes striking? I heard people saying that to just stay on your feet and you’ll be fine, but in a real fight you have to expect the unexpected and that includes being prepared for if the fight is taken to the ground. I just don’t think it sounds too effective by itself but if it was combined with jiu jutsu or something then I seee it working.

  68. Danielle Says:

    hey, i live in South Australia, Adelaide and i was interested in starting wing chun karate, if you could send me some information regarding the times and cost to join it would be very much appreciated thankyou.

  69. Ashura Says:

    Wing-Chun is great and easy to learn and in a very short time once the essentials are learned an artist can obtain superior effectiveness with hands and low-line leg attacks.

    The deal is the reason it is so easy to learn is that it originated as the strip-down to the essentials of shoalin kung-fu.

    It can be learned rapidly and with minimal conditioning and to great effect within its range of expertise.

    Shaolin – all those so-called flimsy moves and wide stances actually if fully combat-ready contain the secrets of wing-chun. The secret of shaolin comes from the animal forms that extend the capacities of the human body in terms of flexability, power, and mechanical strategy that bring the fighter to extra-ordinary ability when intergrated with good fundimentals.

    The Wing-Chun being a stripped down variation of kung-fu – removed alot of the “Elite” conditioning in favor of sharpening control on the essential of fighting with the fist and on the low-line – which you will find in every unarmed combat situation. Against a trainind fighter it is the one who masters these essentials who will obtain great advantage.

    YET: should you ever meet a “real” kung-fu fighter. One who has mastered these essentials AND who has superior shaolin animal-style conditioning; he will also use everythin a WC practitioner uses. (Minus: the specialized advances by training with the wooden dummy)

    Alot of Shaolin masters would teach the full animal conditioning regimes to students and to fight with ‘superficial’ kung-fu and neglect to fill in just how to reach the essential of kung-fu/wing-chun and grant this knowledge to only their best and most trusted students.

    I love Wing-Chun, train in it and have used it. Shaolin is really the brother to this great sister art and they are more close in essence than many would readily admit.

  70. Jamie Says:

    i’ve just started wing chun and i like the centre line theory and how you can manipulate opponents just by possioning your hands in certain places

  71. Antoine Morehead Says:

    There is a grandmaster of wingchun in australia. His name is william chueng and he teaches. His website is:www.cheungswingchun.com

    GrandMaster Cheung also teaches Women’s Selfdefense which will be quicker to learn than the entire wingchun system if you needed to fight right away.

    There are also distance learning classes.

  72. For Brandon Says:

    The strong horse argument is a great one. A good horse will keep you off the ground. As to grappling and chokes. If you learn these in your Kwoon then I’d have to question how this fits into wing chun. It might but I don’t see how.
    Ok now do we have ground work. If you take some time you will realize that everything we do is ground work. We just happen to be standing most of the time.
    A punch comes from structure based on the ground. If for some reason we ended up on our back on the ground then structure comes not through our legs but through what ever is touching the ground. A straight punch (with structure) while you control the line will still let you end up smacking the guy.

    I’d focus on understanding the balance you have and the balance you never want to lose.

  73. I can call ballet Says:

    to BattlEMasteR.
    Blood sweat and tears mean shit if you’re learning the wrong thing.
    My wife took ballet for 15 years. Blood sweat and tears she had plenty. She was a pro at the moves of her style. Some of the guys in her class were pro’s too. BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS. Broken ankles, toes. Hell I don’t know. But give me a guy with a year of wing chun and the dance moves guy will get is to-to wearing butt handed to him.
    It’s the right moves not just the moves.

  74. SiFu Carroll Says:

    Wing Chun is a no B/S martial art that has no sport or competition element in it. Bruce Lee’s fame caused this art to be watered down by most modern day “masters”. Everyone started schools even if they did not learn the entire art. Some even learned from tapes and then proclaimed themselves instructors.
    Most arts that are eclectic (i.e. Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do) draw heavily on the core principles of Wing Chun. These principles are Don’t fight force with force, Protect the centerline, Simultaneous attack and defense, fight for your life etc.
    Wing Chun is a combat art that does not give quarter. It is about minimum effort for maximum damage. Eliminate the threat by all means possible.

  75. Bah! Says:

    So is this more aggressve or defensive? deflections would sow defense…but useing sticks and such would show ofensive.

  76. j/c Says:

    Firstly i need to say this there is to much fury between martial artists. Every art has its pro’s and cons every artist deserves respect cause in a way they are our brothers.

    Wing chun teaches deflection and to move to the blind side of the opponent. and doesn’t habour harsh blocks which i believe only stop people if you have the strength to back it up.

    But in saying this all martial arts are effective in there own right. I would say the best martial arts are mma, but to not have a tradition to adhere to and the possible goal of going to the country of origin and learn under true masters would not be for everyone.

  77. Des Says:

    Hi, I’m interested in learning WC and live in North.Leics. Anyone know of any clubs local to me.I used to do Wado Ryu Karate but not for about 10 yrs. I like the look of WC and its straight frwd no B.S.techniques.I’m gettin too old for flashy spinnin kicks etc lol.

  78. Sifu Cliff Says:

    If anyone is looking to find a school in Wing Chun my link page on the web site has world wide guide.
    http://www.ackungfu.net

  79. Gary Says:

    ANYTHING is possible to any type of fighter at any level of proficiency. Ending up on the ground is one of those possibilities. One must be ready for for that possibility as well.

  80. Gary Says:

    Void, I agree. While each style has its strengths, no one style can address every possibility. Take the best things different styles have to offer; make them your own; be dilligent, driven and with sincerity, like your life depends on it.

  81. Fedor Says:

    Tradicionalni WING CHUN KUNG FU klub
    “DIM MAK”
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  82. 1yr wing chun Says:

    Hello all, I’m studying wingchun, have for a little over a year. I think that in any situation its reaction time that will save you…. even a black belt in some other art can be blindsided. being prepared and having the instint to react is why I study…(along with many other reasons) the fattest man can still give a knock out blow. its what you do with the energy that matters. wing chun teaches you that you don’t need alot of big movments to defend your self…. I was told a master of wingchun could defend him/herself in a phone booth
    I love wing chun and i will train for life.

  83. Fedor Says:

    Tradicionalni Wing Chun Kung Fu klub
    “DIM MAK” Lacarak
    Si-Fu Barac Dragisa
    064/51-45-407
    Fedor Stokanovic

  84. iwingchun Says:

    Hellow to everyone

    I think that Wing Chun is the best martial art ever since because it combines attack and defense together. It has lots of simple but effective blocks and is very effective in a fight.It has got a lot of differences from other martial arts such as the stance, the punches, the kicks e.t.c

  85. SiFu Carroll Says:

    Wing Chun is an attacking art. This is an art of offense.

  86. Timmy Says:

    I have been learning taekwondo for a while now and I’m thinking of switching. Is Wing Chun more of a traditional martial art or a realistic one. I want someting that I can use in a real situation. Any thoughts

  87. ying tong Says:

    For those who think the world is a tiny place, try painting it

  88. martyer Says:

    whats better jeet kune do or wing chun??
    its urgent

  89. characteristics of wing chun do Says:

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  90. JON Says:

    thats right boxers do it better and they get the job DONE!!

  91. db Says:

    I’m thinking WC like any other martial art will be excellent if you have mastered it.
    If you train a couple months my impression is that WC will probably enable you to beat up somebody who tries it on but not necessarily someone who knows how to fight.
    The system that will protect you the best the quickest looks like Brazilian Ju Jitsu.

    The real problem arises when you get in a scrap with someone that knows how to fight AND can take a beating. That combined with the fact that most all fights end up in a clinch or on the ground.

    In this case I think that someone from one of the traditional striking martial arts like karate, boxing, wing chun etc will do well to break up the fight quickly. If the guy attacking can take it, however, you get dragged around and then you’re going to need some kind of grappling.

    So what’s MY choice?
    I’m doing traditional shotokan karate for fitness and long range (keep the guy away from me). I’m doing Wing Chun in case the guy gets a chance to move in.
    Finally I’m doing BJJ to give me some idea what to do if the guy can take a beating and I get grabbed and pulled to the ground.

    Go take a look at Rickson Gracie fighting Kimo on youtube to see what happens to you if you are a smaller guy trying to take on a meat monster. I think in this case my karate or wing chun would have gotten my ass kicked so I am glad to know ultimate self DEFENSE rather than self OFFENSE like karate or wing chun.

  92. BAH Says:

    I’ve been in multiple “bar brawls” and have never really ended up on the ground. Usually they consist of a few shoves, a few wild punches, and it’s over. I don’t think I’ve EVER seen any type of a fight where BJJ grappling would be needed in a club or bar. Maybe I’m not going to the right bars. I’ve taken Aikido for a year, and recently switched to Wing Chun. I’ve only been doing WC for around 3 months now, but can already tell it’s all I’m going to need if I ever find myself in a “street fight”. (I’m a runner too, so they’re going to have to catch me first!)
    We train very traditional WC in class two days a week, then on Saturdays we train with a WC/MMA instructor that mixes it up a little. I really think WC is tops for an easy to learn, straight-forward, self defense system.

  93. BAH Says:

    Also, I think we, as people who take martial arts, forget that the majority of people that are wandering around this earth don’t “train” weekly in a fighting art. So, anyone that is fairly competant in almost any martial art is going to have a big advantage over the average joe. If not from techniques, than from simple awareness of your surroundings, and knowing what it feels like to have a punch or kick coming at you….

  94. JawsIk Says:

    So is this more aggressve or defensive? deflections would sow defense…but useing sticks and such would show ofensive.

  95. Ian Says:

    Hello, I’ve had some surgery on my right leg..which has made it weaker then my left,,,I know this technique requires balance, but I was wondering if this would be better martial art to study due to “less” kicking, I know there is some, but it is a lot more hands and punching, and how physical does the sparring get? And i know thai chi would be recommnded but I would like to learn to become faster, and learn to fight.

  96. BAH Says:

    I am really unflexible when it comes to my legs. I tried TKD, Karate, and the kicks hurt me. I’ve been taking Wing Chun for 3 mths now. There is some kicking, but nothing really over the belt area. I would say that our Sifu teaches 85% punching/footwork/body positioning, and only 15% “kicking”. Also, of all the different arts that I’ve tried, I feel like I’ve learned more “real” techniques that I could already use in Wing Chun than in any other art. (Aikido, TKD, Karate…)
    I think it’s an awesome, simple and effective art, so far, and even better if you’re looking to avoid alot of kicking.

  97. Martin Says:

    Agreed, the Wing Chun system is great, I trained for a few years, the dangerous “invisible” low stomp kicks and jams combined with the chain punches and Lap Sao/Chi Sau techniques make WC fighters hard to deal with as you will be viciously intercepted as soon as you move to attack, but I’d like to learn more “crowd control” techniques to do less harm to people, WC is dangerous, I think the arm bars, wrist locks “come quietly sir” techniques which Police and Security guards use are mainly Aikido? Does anyone know?

  98. martin Says:

    Hi Danielle,I’m in South Australia to, Wing Chun is not Karate, it is Chinese, have a look in the yellow pages for a good school in Adelaide, I trained at Sifu Jim’s WC Academy and they were very good.
    If you choose Wing chun for self defence you have made the right choice but it is not for tournaments because most of the techniques are not allowed, Good luck.

  99. Martin Says:

    Jawslk, Wing Chun is more offensive than defensive, a good wing chun fighter does not wait for your attack and defend and counter attack, instead he will attack non stop until he stops you as soon as he thinks you are going to attack him, I’m no expert but I think you win with attack rather than defence and that seems to be what Wing Chun has taught me, but the best self defence is not to be there in the first place so being aware of your surroundings etc is important.

  100. BAH Says:

    Yes, alot of the wrist locks & arm locks form the basics of Aikido, at least in all the schools I’ve trained with (nikkyo, ikkyo, sankyo, etc..). You have more controlling techniques in Aikido, good for Police/Security Guards. BUT you’re going to have to have quite a bit of training though, I feel, to be able to successfully implement those techniques on an active defender.
    Whereas, Wing Chun, you’re probably just going to blast the guy with a palm strike/chain punches, then kick him in the knee and watch him go down. I agree with the other posts though, not being there in the first place is the best defense.

  101. Martin Says:

    Thanks BAH, I might look into some Aikido training as I have not developed enough Wing Chun skill (Sil lum Tao level only but soon will start Biu Jee) to control an opponent without hurting him or getting hurt, but I guess we all run the risk of getting hurt, in a real fight you don’t win, you survive.

  102. Grmalj Says:

    hi, i just found this site. have a question for you guys. is it late to start doing wing chun in the age of 23. when i was in high school i was practicing ninjutsu, it was great, but than i got a knee injury and had to stop training. after a fewyears of doing nothing and losing my form i finally fixed my knee problem and want o start with martial arts again, and i found a wing chun club in my town. thanks

  103. Natan Says:

    na, its never too late really to do any martial art, it depends on the person and what you want to accomplish with it, good luck with it though

  104. BAH Says:

    I am now through 5 months of Wing Chun, and will be testing for the Chum Kiu level next month (Orange Belt in our school). I still have nothing but great things to say about this system, both as a martial art and a self defense system. It’s been much easier to learn than previous arts I’ve tried. And I feel like I could actually put it to use in a real world situation, already. Devastating strikes, lighting fast block/strike combos, low kicks, it’s been really fun to learn, and to watch myself progress. I’m doing things in class now, that I remember thinking when I started, looked totally “kickass”. I would still highly recommend this art to just about anyone that’s looking for a simple, straight-forward approach to martial arts/self defense.

  105. Kai Says:

    “Everyone’s first instinct in a fight is to charge at the person with arms flailing.” — This is true of most but once one learns to fight with martial arts by instinct then one is calmer and never charges his opponent. On top of that, whether he takes a fighting stance or not, reflexes and instinct will be one. I am no expert but I have always reacted calmly and like Bruce Lee said, “I don’t hit, it hits.” Just be careful to manage instinct with discipline or one could become more dangerous in a negative way.

  106. Kai Says:

    What people fail to understand is that ‘going to the ground’ is the most terrible thing you can do UNLESS you are fighting ONE opponent. So to argue and say anything about Wing Chun’s lack of ground fighting is besides the point. Living in the ‘Hood’ and many other places (from well-to-do to low-income), if you fight one person you better keep your eyes on his friends and family, because the moment you decide to let the match ‘go to the ground’ is the day you get stomped. Let’s face it, honor is lost in a street fight, no one is going to just stand by and let you annihilate their friend/buddy with your supreme ground fighting moves. Personally I found that complimenting Wing Chun with a long range style and throws eliminates the need to go to the ground. And out of the many street fights and brawls I have been in, I have only let two ‘go to the ground’ and both were because I took it there and knew no one else would intervene. MMA, for example, is great for a single opponent but if you are a grappler and you go to ground with one opponent (unaware or aware) that there will be a 2nd or 3rd opponent then you are endangering yourself. Remember that when a friend sees you take his buddy to ground, he will take that ‘opportunity’ to intervene in the worst way. Best thing regardless of your style is to stay on your feet. Only when you are POSITIVE there is ONE opponent you can let it go ‘to ground’.

  107. BAH Says:

    I’ve been taking Wing Chun for around 6mths now. I’m getting some pretty nasty bruises on my forearms. Anyone used dit da jow? Does the stuff actually work, or just feel good?

  108. Um Adil Says:

    As a woman who’s trained in Wing Chun for a number of years, I’ve found Wing Chun is a good self defence system for me. I’d rather not end up on the floor with some big fella on top of me, or get someone in a lock where their friends can smash a bottle over my head in the meantime. Wing Chun is quick and should only take a few good strikes to vulnerable points to help get you out of a tough situation. As a woman, I don’t want to spar or brawl with a man who’s likely to have more strength than me.
    I AM however training in Jujitsu as well to help with groundwork and locks (which would be less destructive than some of the strikes in Wing Chun). My husband is teaching me. I think Wing Chun is a good system though and there is ground work, but I think the way it’s taught means most peopel don’t learn that aspect of this martial art. Carlson Gracie called it the best stand up fighting technique….

  109. sifu cliff Says:

    Best wishes

  110. sifu cliff Says:

    I have some information on the web site that may help you all out. I also have a great deal of good wing chun links on our web site, feel free to join the facebook.
    http://www.ackungfu.net

  111. sifu cliff Says:

    To Bah, yes dit da jow does work some of the stuff that is inside the dit da jow has always been useful for pain from bruises along with helping arthritis. But dont use it to much.

    p.s Practice as much as possible not only in the training hall but at home. Every hour of practice will deepen and solidify your basic foundation to prepare for a higher level of training. Consistent practical performance or application of knowledge leads to certain proficiency.

  112. BAH Says:

    Well, just passed my Chum Kiu testing, and have started on the Wooden Dummy forms. I bought something called an “Attachmate”, and would highly recommend it. It’s not as nice as having a real Wooden Dummy in your basement, but it’s a good, cheap alternative. It’s helped out ALOT being able to practice at home. I’ve learned the first 3 forms in a week. It attaches right to my Wavemaster (or a heavy bag). It was only $90 on kungfu4less.com
    If you’re trying to memorize the wooden dummy moves, get one!

  113. BAH Says:

    When I first started the Wooden Dummy forms, I had bruises and sore arms. But it’s been about 3 weeks now, and I can tell a big difference. Not nearly as painful anymore! Still a few bruises, but nothing like when I started.

  114. Sifu Cliff Says:

    To Bah: It shows you have been doing Wing Chun around 7-9 months now?
    You just took your test for Chum kiu?
    This is pretty odd to hear , normaly someone should spend atleast 2 years on the first form, They say Yip Man study the first form for over 30 years.
    Who is your teacher?
    Sifu Cliff
    http://www.ackungfu.net

  115. BAH Says:

    I’ve been in Wing Chun 9 months now. 3 days a week. I train under Sam Hing Fai Chan in Grand Rapids, MI.

    http://www.chanskungfu.com/school/staff_sifu_chan.htm

    I’ve read all different types of level requirements/timing in Wing Chun. Which all seem to vary GREATLY. Some have colored sashes, others don’t. We do color sashes.

    A ballpark minimum timeline for our school is:

    Yellow – Sil Lim Tau – around 3-4 months
    Orange – Chum Kiu – 4+ months
    Green – Mok Jong 1-3 – 3-4 months
    Blue – Mok Jong 1-7 – 4+ months
    Brown – Lok Dim Boon Gwon – (not sure how long)
    Black – Biu Gee – (not sure how long)

    If you are “into” getting belts, and come to all the classes regularly, I would guess you can make it to “Black” in around 3 years in Sifu Chan’s system. Then, you can go on to the Instructor program.

    Your thoughts Sifu Cliff?

    Wing Chun is quick to learn, but takes a lifetime to master.

  116. Ed Says:

    Wing Chung does have ground techniques…there jsut not know or practiced in the US because too many students suffer injury learning this area.

  117. BAH Says:

    We do train occasionally on ground techniques. We learn breakfalls, some basic throws/tumbling, and practice chain-punching from our backs. But this is only occasionally. One of our Asst Instructors also teaches an MMA class, so he sometimes adds other techniques in our Saturday classes.

  118. Ed Says:

    Train how, on mats? That’s no good. In 1968 the Red Sash from HongKong that started me at 14, began with tumbling out in the parking lot. ..later at 17 that saved me from a terrible motorcycle accident. The hard training put off a lot of people, but saved my beacon thru lot of very bad things.

  119. BAH Says:

    Uh, tumbling in the parking lot, huh? Seems like you would spend more time getting over injuries, than you would training in Wing Chun. No thanks! I think eventually, if I want to do more “groundwork” I might take judo or BJJ.

  120. Ed Says:

    Yes, your point is valid…he was very selective who he did that with. That particular training saved my life (younger) on motorcycles. It was also beneficial in real fighting.

    I know that most people train for tornaments and sparring in the school, he trained us specifically for street combat…like practice taking blows with punches and sticks and staffs.

    Growing up that way, I had at least 50 real fights and as i got older..against knives and guns. My fault, and I eventually put a stop to that aspect.

  121. Sifu Cliff Says:

    Hello Bah , yes it seem like he has a hiw own system on rnaks, the old school of Yip Man was a 2-3 year before 2and form was taught, skipping the full training of the first form can be very poor .
    Maybe this may help
    Sideling stance turning for many hours at a time. A student of under 1 year will have no clue on how to use wing chun unless they start doing some good movment training after they have learned some of the hand skills.
    I have some movies on the sight along with some cool stuff ont he gallery
    http://www.ackungfu.net

  122. Sifu Cliff Says:

    Sorry about them miss-spells, http://www.ackungfu.net

  123. Sifu Cliff Says:

    Again sorry on them miss spelling,
    Re-cap on what I was saying above.
    First form should be atleast 2 years in training.
    But outside of wing chun hand skills,Wing Chun with movement is a must.
    Standing in place is great for our foundation, but every fighter needs to move.
    Dont skip wing chun movement methods.
    Best Luck Sifu Cliff
    http://www.ackungfu.net

  124. BAH Says:

    We really start focusing on movement during the Chum Kiu level (Orange – 2nd sash). Alot of turning, corner punches/kicks, stepping/footwork, and bridging the gap work.

  125. BAH Says:

    I think one of my biggest challenges right now is Chi Sao. I have trouble continuing an attack. I like to do one strike, and then go back to rolling. I have a hard time chaining together 2-3 attacks without stopping to regroup/think. I’m hoping this comes in time, with more practice. I think the Wooden Dummy training is going to help with this too.

  126. Sifu Cliff Says:

    That is very normal Chi Sao takes alot of time, I would put alot more focus on the first form, the hand move’s are there for you, you need to put more time in them.
    your moves should be on a linear level right now one punch one block etc with a few comlicated moves such as Que Sao.
    CHi t akes a great deal of multi tasking. again im a real sifu and I run a school.
    I have been doing Wing CHun Style of Kung Fu for 15 year with alot of street fights under my belt.
    Good breaking in for chi sao is a pak dar its the most basic entry for Chi Sao you should not be up to that.
    you should be doing Dan Chi Sao single with limated Double sticky hands very little double.

    I have a small vid on a Pak, Tan,Bong, Guan Sao combo this will help you hand action.
    It can be found on afew of our videos on the home page.
    best luck Sifu Cliff
    http://www.ackungfu.net

  127. Matthew Says:

    hey peoples,

    i jus spent the last half hour readin these messages, ( sad i kno ) and i must say i have never been trained or taught anything about fightnin except what i have seen

    I have been in street fights before an i find the best method, if u can is to go for the throat punch, push, poke, grab whatever its very effective in makin the other person panic eyes are also good targets and although it sounds bad biting works a treat

    More important than anything else though is trust your instincts they are there for a reason

  128. BAH Says:

    The 3rd/final Wing Chun form is call Biu Gee (you’ll see it spelled all different ways). It’s the most advanced form at our school (black sash level). The techniques are supposedly pretty devasting, when used properly. Thrusting fingers to the eyes, throat, etc.

    From our school’s website:

    Biu Gee translates as “thrusting fingers” and is the last hand form taught in the Wing Chun system. The old saying – “Biu Gee Bot Chut Moon” – is loosely interpreted as “Biu Gee does not go out the door”. The most important part of Biu Gee training is learning how to focus all of your energy into a single strike. Biu Gee develops devastating striking power by combining singularly focused elbow, finger, and hand strikes with body rotation. A secondary key of Biu Gee practice is to train the hands to return to the center if the centerline is lost or open. Street tactical techniques such as foot sweeps and hidden striking from beneath the bridge (kiu dyk chong choi) are introduced at this level.

  129. Vijay Says:

    unlike many “effective” modern killing styles like Krav Maga, etc.. Wing Chun helps you control your strength / actions / emotions / reflexes in various situations.. most of the time I’ve only needed enough to shoo them off. If I had used some of those killing styles, I would probably had been in prison many times ;)

    Note that some WC schools now train with Gi and have some form of ground fighting training.

  130. if you are serious Says:

    It’s really awesome for self defence street fight, in my opinion is more effective than karate, krav maga, and (kick)boxing. WT have awesome techniques, there’re 116 movements for the dummy… Chain punch is awesome. One of the basic strikes.

  131. NERDS Says:

    ive been going around looking at martial arts since my cousin is full bragging about “wing chun” and i realised that most of the ppl who learns wing chung ( or maybe martial arts) looks like geeks/nerds/dorks or w/e so im assuming that ppl learn martial arts due to their lack of self-esteem and insecurity and for some ppl who might want to reply to what im saying, its ok dont be in denial just because what ive seaid about you is true if you want rant about how wrong i am then be my guest but you know yourself better than anyone and youll know if youre just some insecured nerd looking for some kind of “artificial high”

  132. sad Says:

    Vijay youre a nerd with major insecurity issues arent you?

  133. sad ppl Says:

    you ppl are seriously just insecured nerds looking for a self-defence mechanism cause you’re getting bullied everyday of you miserable lives, seriously do you ppl know that martial arts is a SPORT yes its primarily a sport but losers such as yourselves who sees it as a fighting tool or “modern killing style” like Vijay said, arent giving the sport a good reputation, sure you go learn a few lessons and you get your ego up now you think youre top dog good on you, and you also think youre doing the sport a favour cause you’re demonstrating it in a real life situation, but its no shit that you did it for urself and not for the sport so next time you wanna post a comment on martial arts think of it as a sport, cause if you’re learning martial arts for the purpose of street fights then you obviously have no life and suffer from poor self-esteem any civilised person will take the appropriate course of action in matters such as bullying or harassment and report them to the PROPER authorities but most of you uncivilised brutes resorts to martial arts and maybe even supplement it with weight training to better ur fighting skills, we dont live in the wilderness only animals resort to fighting to solve problem any educated person will know thats what happens in the wilderness but if some of you nerds have lost hope in life so much taht youre too scared to even take appropriate action which doesnt costs as much as martial art lessons then yea go waste thousands of dollars refining your skill so you resort to barbaric approaches to solving problems in a civilised world, so let me put this in perspective, do ppl learn baseball so they know how to better swing a baseball bat? NO

    now for those ppl who learns martial arts other than the use of a sport GET A LIFE cause even if you solved ur problem through martial arts youre still an idiot with no sense of how modern society functions, honestly i bet at least half of the posters here takes up this practice just to “pump up their penis size” that explains why there arent many women who learns martial arts compared to men in any other sport its because the majority sees it as a fighting tool.
    because fighting shouldn’t be an option to solving a problem, the purpose of learning martial arts should not go beyond as a means of self-defence, if you learn martial arts to pick fights the only ppl who will think good of you are the people who are like you, thats right ppl who also learn martial arts to start fights and those ppl are nothing but insecured losers

    and to those who learns martial arts as a sport or non-violent purposes, those are the ppl who should be given the right to practice this kind of sport

    YES SPORT notice how many times ive used this word? losers

  134. Sifu Cliff Says:

    Dont think this forum is about all the hate I see in the last few comments.
    Feel free to check out my web site
    http://www.ackungfu.net
    Yip Man movie is on the gallery page you cna link to Youtube from there.
    Good luck

  135. Sifu Cliff Says:

    Number #1 rule find a good teacher.Most of the teachers that are under the guidlines of the yip man faction uphold a strong standerd.Larger City in the USA would have more then one Teacher in Wing Chun style. http://www.ackungfu.net check link page for nearby teachers

  136. BAH Says:

    Wow… Dude has way too much spare time on his hands. Get a hobby, and quit posting non-sense.
    Wing Chun is a wonderful art, for both fitness and self defense. People take martial arts for many different reasons. If it makes a “geek” feel more secure, so be it. We have all different personality types in our classes, but I can guarantee that not all are “geeks” with self esteem issues.
    For me, it’s an activity that gets me away from work/home 3-4 times a week. I enjoy the exercise, the challenge of learning new techniques, and seeing my skills grow. Do I take WC for self defense? Of course! Do I think the class has improved my self image? Of course! Do I think I’m probably “tougher” now than I was before I started a year ago? Of course! Are these bad things? NO.
    It’s easy to be a tough guy posting anonymous in an online forum, isn’t it…?

  137. Sifu Cliff Says:

    Does sound like he hates him dont it?

  138. BAH Says:

    Got a question. In class, we do quite a bit of chi sao. We’ve got these two guys that are a little more advanced that I am, been in class 2-3 years. They both are big and strong. One is probably 6-3 200+. Their chi sao is very “forced” and overwhelming. They muscle and overpower people. One likes to do alot of trapping. I’m like 6-0 160lbs and having a hard time figuring out the best way to defend against them. Any ideas? I always feel like I’ve been mauled by a bear when I’m finished. Most of the class just stays away from them when it’s time to chi sao, but I just cant resist the challenge.. :)

  139. sifu cliff Says:

    TO BAH it sounds like a ego thing there on your part, or your getting some extra hostility from other students ,IN your school is it permited for other students to hit one another?IF so something is wrong there.Contact should be done for learning process, extra contact should be frowned apon, and as of students heavy contact is a bannable offence in many schools.

    your sifu seem to rush you bringing you from one level to the other fast, good chi sao lets you put focus on the 3 main move of wing chun. that is
    Tan Sao, Bong Sao,Fook Sao
    If your under 1 year and your working on Chi Sao your gong to be at a huge disavantage to them. They would have a better consept of simotianity among other things.

  140. BAH Says:

    Yeah, probably is a little machoism on my part. I need to just walk away. There is no “hostility”. It’s all in good practice. But I’ve noticed that the chi sao feeling from one student to the next can vary greatly. Some are very soft and circular, others are very forced and strong. We definitely strike in chi sao. Elbows are a big no-no though. It’s supposed to be more of a touch strike, not a hard strike. A few guys tend to get carried away though. With only 1 year of WC under my belt, I’ve got alot to learn with chi sao. I find that I learn alot more chi sao’ing with other students of my level. I guess I just need to “walk away” from the heavy hitters. :)

  141. Lameth Says:

    Yeah I agree fully with kenshin, I have trained some long fist stlyes and now im traning Wing Chun.Nevertheless most of the fights Ive been in and seen in real life go to the ground… I knew a guy who only fought on the ground he was unbeatable, every move he made was based on bringing the opponent to the ground in the most agressive way.

    however in terms of close combat in the beginning of a fight, wing chun has shown it effectiveness, and if you get enough shots in while your standing, finishing the fight on the ground is much easier.

  142. BAH Says:

    I’m going to have to disagree. I haven’t seen or been in hundreds of fights, but the few that I have been around haven’t went to the ground. I actually can’t think of ANY that I’ve personally witnessed. Most bar fights are a few “haymakers” and then are broken up. Someone that has a decent amount of WC training, IN MOST CASES, I think, isn’t going to end up on the ground. There are going to be exceptions, but I think a push kick, followed by a few chain punches or strong elbow strikes, is going to end most ‘bar fights’. Really, though, not to just disagree, but out of the probably 10-15 fights I’ve been around, I can’t remember any of those going to the ground. Anyone else?

  143. Heni bender.... Says:

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  144. Blah Says:

    How flexible would you need to be to study wing chung as i have a bad back?

  145. BAH Says:

    BLAH:
    One of the reasons I started Wing Chun is because I’m not very flexible and I have an old back injury that rears it’s head from time to time. I can’t do the high kicks of TKD, and was pretty sore doing the rolling and tumbling of Aikido. Wing Chun has been AWESOME for me. No kicks much above the waist, and not alot of tumbling. Mostly kicks to the waist/knee areas. Try it out. I used to get pretty sore in Aikido in my lower back.

  146. TIM Says:

    SO if you need some Good Jow Let me know…. I Always make more then what I can use ….
    Hope to hear from ya …. TIM

  147. rob Says:

    The wonderful and grate thing about all styles is that we can come to know a little of everything and flow with all of it.

  148. BAH Says:

    I just found some cool videos on You Tube. The Fight Quest show on the Discovery Channel featured an episode about Wing Chun in Hong Kong. It’s all posted out on YouTube if you search “Fight Quest Wing Chun”.

  149. Lucas Castrounis Says:

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  150. Zeke Says:

    All martial arts originated from Shaolin. theres always similarities between techniques, but we alter it making it look like another’s very own technique.

  151. BHill Says:

    Check out the International Wing Chun Martial Art Association website. Founded by Sifu Sam Hing Fai Chan.

    http://wingchunmartialart.com/

    We’ve also started a group on Facebook, search for IWCMAA…

  152. ferraro38 Says:

    what going on recently trying to study wing chun because that is the foundation of bruce lee jkd and do you have any recommendation on it because im assuming you guys are martial artist im trained in boxing and wrestling will be hard to reformat my self im a huge bruce lee fan always wanted to do it but never had the money i read his tao of jeet kune do, tao of gung fu, and im working on bruce lees fighting methods so if you guys have any input that would be great thanks

  153. BAH Says:

    ferraro38

    What kind of questions do you have?

    I have not taken JKD, but am a Wing Chun practitioner. Bruce Lee did train WC under Ip Man, and then grew his WC into JKD. I’m pretty sure JKD has a lot more of the high kicks, not sure though. Our WC really doesn’t kick much above the belt. WC is very quick, efficient, and “to the point”. I feel its very effective for self defense. Not alot of flashy techniques, just the stuff that works. I tried 2-3 different arts before finding WC, and haven’t looked back since.

  154. BHill Says:

    http://www.wingchunmartialart.com/wc/index.htm

    Ferraro, check this site out. It gives the history of WC, what’s involved in the training, etc…

  155. Stevo Says:

    I have a few questions about wing chung.

    I have bad shoulder and i have torn a groin muscle a few yrs back which is healed now; how ever i dont want to do any high kicks, would does wing chung involve any high kicks or shoulder locks etc?

  156. BAH Says:

    Steveo-
    Our school’s WC (a the few others that I’ve visited) really have no kicks much over the waist. The front ‘push kick’ is about as high as we go. Definitely no head kicks. Not to say that there’s not a Wing Chun instructor out there somewhere that’s incorporating high kicks, but I’ve never heard of it, and we don’t have them in our school. Not really many “locks” involved with WC either. I would say, give it a try, and see. Maybe chat with the instructor before signing up, explain your past injuries, and see what he thinks.

  157. henda Says:

    if you wanna learn real self defense you need WING TSUN!!!

  158. tanja Says:

    hi all, i am looking for some advice as to whether or not wing chun is good for a girl to learn to use as a self defence.

  159. yehudah Says:

    Were are Wing Chun learning centers? I want to learn Wing Chun.

  160. BAH Says:

    Where are you located yehudah?

    Tanja, I think WC is very good for self defense. It’s fairly easy to learn, and can be applied in self defense situations pretty quickly.

  161. Dr phill Says:

    PLEASE LICK MY BALL SACK

  162. BAH Says:

    BUMP… I’ll pass on that last offer. Back to Wing Chun.

  163. BAH Says:

    Anyone have any thoughts on how size impacts sparring in Wing Chun? We have a few very large guys in our class that like to always say “Size doesn’t matter!!!”. One guy is 6′-7″ the other is 6′-3″, both are very athletic. They outweigh me by 80-100lbs, and they are probably a little more skilled in WC than I am. They totally dominate me in chi sao and sparring. I can’t seem to stay rooted, and can’t really compete with them sparring. Is this type of size difference going to be very hard to overcome, given that are skills are equal?

  164. Tommm! Says:

    Hello, i curenntly train in Wing Chun, i was wondering if nayone can tlel me all the forms etc and what i get taught? so i know i being taught right and when am finished in about 7yrs(or more) that i will have mastered wing chun :) or just link me to a website? xD except wikipedia -.- Thankuuu!

  165. T211 Says:

    my sifu has put chinese boxing in with Wing Chun is that a good thing? i think maybe it is.. cos it has to be modified to this day and age. Using tradional yip man Wing chun wudnt be effective in this day n age.

  166. BAH Says:

    Forms are:
    Sil Lim Tau
    Chum Kiu
    Biu Gee
    Wooden Dummy Form
    Long Pole Form
    Butterfly Knife Form

    You will see many different spellings, but these forms should be a huge part of your training. Sil Lim Tau should be the 1st form you are taught.

  167. spiwe Says:

    Not any guy can be taken down from behind or by two, or more people and if you tried that nonsense with a real wing chun practitioner, you may find yourself drinking out of a straw for a long time to come. A fight is as much about the condition of your mind as it is about your physical ability, so if you are comming against a real Wing Chun master only relying on numbers or MMA fighting capabilities you would truly be making a grave mistake. A good Wing Chun student after many years can reach a stage of almost invincibility. So RORY, learn about the art in its true form, and no more silly comments please.

  168. runningbear Says:

    Hi guys! A Wing Chun guy came to my boxing gym yesterday.He pretty much joined for conditioning/workout.He was showing us some wrist locks and other stuff. It was really cool.Wing Chun:*respect*. Take care and train hard!

  169. BAH Says:

    What do you mean by “wrist locks”? I’ve been taking WC for 2 years, and have never seen wrist locks as part of a schools Wing Chun curriculum. Not saying that wrist locks can’t be taught in WC, I’ve just never heard of such a thing!

  170. B. Williams Says:

    To respond to everything on here Ng Mui created the art with fellow 5 masters from Shaolin including the white eye browed monk Pia mai and Jim Jin Jee. She also founded a couple other arts and was concidered the best out of the 5. Wing Chun does have ground fighting, just must be taught, the fighting on the ground is the same on the floor as standing up. Must be explainded by a Master. It also has wrist locks but not the was other arts do. Think of when you use sticky hands, if they cannot use their wrist, then youve locked it. Lastly, Wing Chun is one of the few arts that is fighting first and art second. YipMan actually encouraged his students to go out and fight which is unheard of in other asian arts. Futher more 90 percent of the fighting arsonal is found in the first form. That makes a hard working Wing Chun novince pratitioner alot of the times on the level of other artist who have been learning their art for years. The only problem is fighting takes pratice and forms dont cut it. Learn “little idea” use it and you will exell. If there is something missing in Wing Chun it is that when you learn it you must use it to be good, if you just learn forms your a dancer. Thats why Yip Man created the wooden dummy exercises.

  171. Bijay Lal Thapa Says:

    Hey Handsome. How are You?

  172. Simon Says:

    Wing chun is perhaps one of the best anti-grappling styles out there.

    It’s focus never is on grabbing, grappling is seen in wing chun as time consuming and therefore inefficient when the goal is to end the encounter quickly.

    For someone who has done alot of chi sao they will understand and appreciate wing chun’s efficiency in anti-grappling.

  173. WC Says:

    Yes, Bruce Lee did study Wing Chun. Although there are some disagreements about how far he actually got in the system. He did not complete the system. But if you watch some JKD, you will see a lot of Wing Chun in it.

  174. sad ppl Says:

    you ppl are seriously just insecured nerds looking for a self-defence mechanism cause you’re getting bullied everyday of you miserable lives, seriously do you ppl know that martial arts is a SPORT yes its primarily a sport but losers such as yourselves who sees it as a fighting tool or “modern killing style” like Vijay said, arent giving the sport a good reputation, sure you go learn a few lessons and you get your ego up now you think youre top dog good on you, and you also think youre doing the sport a favour cause you’re demonstrating it in a real life situation, but its no shit that you did it for urself and not for the sport so next time you wanna post a comment on martial arts think of it as a sport, cause if you’re learning martial arts for the purpose of street fights then you obviously have no life and suffer from poor self-esteem any civilised person will take the appropriate course of action in matters such as bullying or harassment and report them to the PROPER authorities but most of you uncivilised brutes resorts to martial arts and maybe even supplement it with weight training to better ur fighting skills, we dont live in the wilderness only animals resort to fighting to solve problem any educated person will know thats what happens in the wilderness but if some of you nerds have lost hope in life so much taht youre too scared to even take appropriate action which doesnt costs as much as martial art lessons then yea go waste thousands of dollars refining your skill so you resort to barbaric approaches to solving problems in a civilised world, so let me put this in perspective, do ppl learn baseball so they know how to better swing a baseball bat? NO

    now for those ppl who learns martial arts other than the use of a sport GET A LIFE cause even if you solved ur problem through martial arts youre still an idiot with no sense of how modern society functions, honestly i bet at least half of the posters here takes up this practice just to “pump up their penis size” that explains why there arent many women who learns martial arts compared to men in any other sport its because the majority sees it as a fighting tool.
    because fighting shouldn’t be an option to solving a problem, the purpose of learning martial arts should not go beyond as a means of self-defence, if you learn martial arts to pick fights the only ppl who will think good of you are the people who are like you, thats right ppl who also learn martial arts to start fights and those ppl are nothing but insecured losers

    and to those who learns martial arts as a sport or non-violent purposes, those are the ppl who should be given the right to practice this kind of sport

    YES SPORT notice how many times ive used this word? losers

  175. Paul Says:

    I have been training in Wing Chun in Australia for 18 years and would like to make comment on a few things written by other people. Wing
    Chun in it’s purest form does not have wrist locks but does have ways to get out of them. Many instructors, myself included put some wrist locks in as they can fit into the system very well. Wing Chun is a close quarters fighting system in all honesty the distance fighting eg. boxing or kicking range fighting of Wing Chun is terrible, Wing Chun is fought in the range in between boxing and wrestling. Some instructors like my Sifu and many others put in things from other arts they may have done to fill in those small gaps that Wing Chun has. For those who say a Wing Chun fighter could never be taken down is ludicrous. For starters look to the Edmin Boztepe fighting system of Wing Chun they put in ground fighting, WHY because it doesn’t matter what you know the chance is that you will go to the ground one day and if you’re there with someone who can fight well on the ground you better at least know something because it’s a different world down there. To know about getting taken down go to a free style wrestling school and do some wrestling with guys who train every day to take people down, you WILL get taken down, don’t judge it on someone who isn’t a wrestler. Now i love the system of Wing Chun but you have to be a realist. In today’s society more people learn Boxing, Muay Thai, Kick Boxing and MMA than the amount of people who do wing chun so if you are a Wing Chun fighter and don’t understand how these people fight and also train for them, you are sadly mistaken in your abilities. I also teach Muay Thai and MMA and I like ALL Martial Arts they all have strong points and they all have weak points so the more you learn the better for your own personal growth so don’t be narrow minded like many of the old masters in thinking that no one else’s Martial Art is as good as yours, don’t be so caught up in yourself that you can’t go into another gym and become a beginner student and learn the way other people do things and grow as a Martial Artist. Feel free to comment I would love to hear your views, BUT if you have nothing constructive to say keep in to yourself.

  176. Paul O Says:

    There are many nuggets in lee films if you listen
    any system can be combated by another system so to have your own style is important & the teacher is important as to style & origin .WC suits my insticts & reactions my first kf teacher was japanease but the second from hong kong & the real deal with wisdom & action , expect the unexpected & you wont be caught out to often .

  177. Himura45 Says:

    Latest Research: Like the Five Elders, there are no written historical records of Yim Wing Chun, her husband or her father. The problem with this version is that if there are no Five Elders, then the nun, Ng Mui, did not exist. If the Five Elders were the Revolutionary Leaders of the time, then being so, they were also marked, on the most wanted list. If she came forward either as a woman disguised as a man or as a revolutionary merely to teach Kung Fu to a young girl, she would have jeopardized her life, as well as her fellow elders, along with the life of the girl. Likewise, since the Qing military’s practice of executing ‘Nine Ancestors in Crime’ meant the death of all of her relatives out nine generations if she was discovered, it would have been most illogical for such a person to come forward to teach the girl kung fu simply because she was being forced into a marriage.
    Anyone who studies Wing Chun knows that it is an advanced and sophisticated martial art. It is highly unlikely that one person developed such a complex system alone. Another point is that Wing Chun is based on efficiency. For the efficiency to work, the system has to be based on the movements and structures of human beings, not on those of animals.
    If the mythical Yim Wing Chun invented Wing Chun, and then later on passed it to her husband, who later took it to the Red Boats, this places the time frame again in the 1800′s, creating a problem with the time frame in question. The Red Boats were in existence in the 1800′s and the Southern Shaolin Temple was destroyed in the 1600′s.This is a rather long time to be alive, especially back then. There seems to be nearly 200 years missing if the legends are true.
    If we are to examine Wing Chun’s roots scientifically, then we must understand the etymology and logic of the phrase “Yim Wing Chun”. Weng Chun, as it was originally called, had a different meaning. The word ‘Weng’ means everlasting. Within the Shaolin Temple, the Weng Chun Tong is where the art was developed and practiced. After the destruction of the Southern Temple, the word changed from ‘Weng’ to ‘Wing’. ‘Wing’ means praising. This meant to pass on the art orally so that its details could not fall into enemy hands; this method of teaching is also consistent with Chan oral teaching. Shaolin teaching required one on one, Master to Student teaching for a more complete experience. ‘Yim’ was also added for the sum of ‘Yim Wing Chun’. ‘Yim’ means to be secretive. Now, the intent was to pass on the art both secretly and orally. The original intent was to return the name to Weng Chun upon the successful rebirth of the Ming Dynasty. Since such a rebirth never happened, the name remains Wing Chun today.
    The burning of the Temple happened, but it was the Southern Temple. The Five Elders could be a metaphor that represents the combined effort of the Shaolin Temple and the Secret Societies. The Five Elders could also be different martial arts and/or secret society branches that came from the struggle to restore the Ming Dynasty. Yim Wing Chun represents the advanced system that was developed within the Shaolin Temple and passed on secretly to current times. The Wing Chun system remained hidden until it went public during the Red Boat Era. It was very convenient to have some cover story to hide the system’s true identity, thus preventing spies from obtaining any useful information due to skillful subterfuge.

  178. BAH Says:

    I had heard somewhere, I’m not recalling where right now, that Ip Chun had done some research, and had many doubts that Yim Wing Chun ever truly existed. Has anyone else heard this?

  179. Tragos Says:

    Wing chun + hard training = Best martial art ever because has the fastest technique for defence against any martial art. And in case someone is strong trainer of the body and the brain , adding wing chun is like the strongest martial art ever. Always clever people choose wing chun.
    I used to learn iron palms for years and i am imaging B.Lee fast punch, could kill someone with so small hand. This is the reason that you will never see on the tv fight. On the tv often is ground fight where the people are very huge and they are no really fast move. Even if karate is very slow to achieve the technique.

  180. anonyguest Says:

    No it does not contain your traditional grappling things.You should study a core art for stand up fighting (such as wc). BJJ or Judo or any other grappling art is a handy tool to know as well, mainly for take down defense. Ending up on the ground (concrete usually) in the street can translate into a disaster. But it is not what i would spend say..10 years learning.

  181. Nicole Says:

    I wanna learn wing chun but dont know where to start. Does anyone know where there is a school that teaches wing chun in the phila,pa area.If so please post a number and address

  182. BAH Says:

    I did some quick research, there are a few schools in the Philly area with instructors I’ve never heard of. But I did find a legit Wing Chun school from the Moy Yat lineage located in Chinatown.

    http://vingtsun-usa.org/

    Address:

    Moy Yat Ving Tsun
    Martial Intelligence
    117 North 10th Street, 5th Flr.
    Philadelphia, PA 19107

    Phone: (215) 238-9066

  183. BAH Says:

    Just thought I would share this… We recently had a 2nd degree black belt in Hapkido start coming to our Wing Chun class. I asked why he chose to give up Hapkido. He said this: “A few weeks ago, we had a kid with a brown belt in Wing Chun come to our school on a sparring night. He owned me, and everyone else in the room. We couldn’t deal with his non-stop offensive pressure and chain punching.” So he made the switch!

  184. FLWC Says:

    I’ve read through all 183 posts now. Its taken me about 30 Min and I have to say its nice to read other peoples views on Wing Chun. I have studied Wing Chun for about 7 years in and out of the classroom. In my time out of the class I met and exchanged concepts with many different Martial artists from many different arts. I’ve never found another art so practical and effective in everyday situations. To me its the perfect art of balance. Attack and Defense working simultaneously to accomplish one end, Self Preservation. I am very happy to see so many people here learning Wing Chun in so many different places and to you all I wish you nothing but the best. Keep practicing.

  185. Ashleigh Says:

    I enjoy Wing Chung a lot. The exercises are pretty heavy, but well worth it for faster reflexes and getting fit.

  186. imran Says:

    can anyone guide me to a good wing chun school in west london? I want to learn wing chun art but am confused how to choose. Can anyone help. I reside in hounslow. God bless

  187. imran Says:

    Hi there. I am glad to read your comments. I have been planning to start practising wing chun soon but am very confused as to which club I should join. I live in west london area in hounslow. Can you kindly help guide me or steer me in the right direction? God bless

  188. BAH Says:

    Sam Kwok is a very highly sought after WC master. He is based in the UK, and has a few schools in London. I’m not familiar with London geographically, but I know he has 2 schools in that area. Check out his website:

    http://www.kwokwingchun.co.uk/association-schools/uk-wing-chun-clubs

  189. imran Says:

    thanx bah for the info I appreciate that.

    Is there another style that I can compare wing chun with? How would I know its for me? I have always either wanted to practice wing chun but recently krav maga has become v popular in my area

  190. BAH Says:

    I’ve taken Wing Chun for 3yrs now. I’ve recently tried ShorinRyu Karate, Aikido, TKD and Krav Maga. I just wanted to verify my Wing Chun skills. I wasn’t disappointed in my skills, and am back to Wing Chun. Krav Maga is very ruthless, and effective. BUT, it’s more of a self defense system, not what I would call a ‘martial art’. Really, the only way you’re going to find out is to try it for yourself. Wing Chun is brutal and effective, but retains the ‘art’ and ‘philosophy’ as well.

  191. BAH Says:

    Also, forgot to add, any reputable martial art instructor is going to let you come in to watch a class, talk with you about their art, and even try a week or two of class for free. Don’t sign a big contract until you are sure the art is for you. Definitely take advantage of any ‘free intro’ they offer.

  192. Imran Says:

    Thanx Bah. My main aim to learn martial arts is self defence. I do agree with you about what you say on krav maga. Whats your opinion on muay thai compared to wing chun because it seems quite aggressive?

  193. BAH Says:

    Well, I’ve had limited Muay Thai experience. We do have a Muay Thai class at our school. It’s a lot different than Wing Chun. First of all, OUR Muay Thai class has a lot more cardio work. A lot of their workouts closely resemble how a boxer would train. As with Krav Maga, you don’t have the traditional forms or weapons that Wing Chun has. In my opinion, if you’re young, and want a great workout, Muay Thai is an excellent art. You will definitely learn how to fight. I just prefer the more traditional WC approach. Try them both. For self defense, you really can’t go wrong with either. Actually, any of the three martial arts you are looking at (MT, WC and Krav) are excellent for pure self defense. It’s really just up to your personal preferences, the school’s quality, and the instructor, as to which would be ‘better’ for you.

  194. BAH Says:

    Another big difference is kicking. Do you like kicking? Are you flexible enough to kick someone in the head? That’s a big factor for me. I’m naturally very unflexible. WC kicks really don’t go any higher than the waist. Mostly quick low sweeps and and kicks. Muay Thai, Karate, TKD, etc in general require a lot more kicking. I’m personally not a big ‘kicking’ fan. If I ever have to defend myself, a high kick is one of the LAST things I’m going to want to try in the street.

  195. imran Says:

    im 28 with no experience at all. Am I too old? No not very flexible as iv never trained for that…but I have strong legs n arms. When you say try different styles how long in fairness do I have to give them? The club you recomended affiliated with samuel kwok is doing a 3 month intro course. You think thats appropriate?

  196. BAH Says:

    Yeah, I think a general rule of thumb is 3mths. No matter what art you choose, you’re going to feel akward(especially given that you’ve never done martial arts)for the first few weeks to a month. 28 isn’t too old. But you can practice Wing Chun your entire life, you don’t see too many 40+ Muay Thai guys (at least that I’ve run into). Our Muay Thai class is mainly high school and college age guys. Samuel Kwok is known around the world as a Wing Chun master. I’ve not practiced with him personally though. I would try his intro class!

  197. JasonZeng Says:

    hey dude so where are u from?

  198. imran Says:

    I understand your point Bah. Great feedback from you, really appreciate it.,take care

  199. BAH Says:

    IMRAN: Let us know what you end up doing….

  200. DATC Says:

    Hey Guys!WING CHUN is so effective technique in self-defense or fighting.

  201. DATC Says:

    I’ve also practicing Jeet Kune Do this 2011.

  202. Imran Says:

    Bah no problem. Il keep in touch definetly. Are you local by the way?

  203. healharry Says:

    how did the girl discover the wing chun?

  204. BAH Says:

    I’m in Michigan, USA…

  205. imran Says:

    my word bah…ur miles away ! Take care anyhow and spk2u soon thanx again

  206. perservence01 Says:

    I am looking to start a new martial art, However I have a bad shoulder and some general hip problems which every so often flair up due to a bike accident.

    Id like some opinions if there is a way to study the art with out putting a heap of stress on those body parts? any ideas?

  207. BAH Says:

    WC doesn’t have a lot of kicking, so I think your hip would be OK. No kicks much above the waistline. The shoulder is a different issue. Chi Sao can really tire you shoulders out, especially when you are first beginning, and don’t know how to relax correctly. WC can be trained ‘hard’ or ‘soft’. We have some students that don’t spar, and are very conservative. Others are more ‘hardcore’, choose to spar, learn groundwork, etc. You’re really going to just have to try it, to really find out.

  208. Adam Says:

    I disagree paul having done my own research i believe ng mui met up with other masters and drew the best parts of the system from a pool of knowledge,and you can’t prove other wise can you?

  209. Adam Says:

    The reason they don’t train on the ground is because canton in china has dirty streets littered with glass plus the huge population.how some of my old kungfu teachers dismiss ground fighting is beyond me i think i could stick alot of kungfu practioners on their butts just knowing that fact how about you? :)

  210. BAH Says:

    Our WC school definitely does some groundwork in advanced classes. This includes sweeps, throws, clinch-work, escaping from the mount, getting back to your feet quickly from the ground, breakfalls, basic tumbling, etc. Occasionally some advanced students even get together and practice some submissions and wrestling before and after classes. As a WC fighter, I think your main focus should be how to get back to your feet as quickly as possible. I don’t want to fight on the ground, unless I have to.

  211. jim Says:

    yeah we learn ground techniques at my wing chun acadamy i didnt get to learn ground techniques until i reached grade two, they just do this so we can at first get usse to the main techniques such as blocking ad attacking at the same time, the straight lne punch etc. So if anyone thinks there is no ground technique in wing chun, they are very mistaken, or there sifu must be really shit

  212. christian torres Says:

    Where ican learn inpuerto rico

  213. BAH Says:

    Using Google I was able to find quite a few schools in Puerto Rico. I cannot attest to them personally though. Here are a few:

    http://www.progressivewingchun.com/

    http://www.wingchunkalisystem.com/

    http://www.dojolocator.com/WingChunPuertoRico/

  214. tony Says:

    what is your style of kung fu i have seen ip man that is a great movie i want to know how i can learn that style of kung fu i love martial arts ever since i was little i love kung fu movies i live in florida and there is alot of classes out there but they dont teach anything like the moves like yours speed defense agility and respect its a great style just like shaolin if there is any kind of info you can show me that would be greatly appreciated. thank you look foward to hearing from you

  215. jimmy Says:

    wing tsun was not founded by the woman the name was the style wing tsun it self was founded by yip man’s master then i think he died or something then his wife name it ` wing tsun’

  216. Imran Says:

    hi ev1. I came to this website bout 5 months ago confused as to which martial arts to practice. I decided on w.chun and hav to say im much more confident on the streets. Our school uses a slightly modified w.chun to make it more street real. But I do think that ground fitng is a weakness. I will be looking to incorporate bjj to balancf that. Overall w.chun is a fantastic no nonsense martial art,no time wasting. In my school they emphasise alot on stamina and body conditioning.

  217. BAH Says:

    Imran:
    I remember you. Great to hear that you seem to have found a good school, are learning quality WC, and enjoying it.

  218. Imran Says:

    Thanx Bah. Yeah def enjoying it. And its more satisfyng to see when you can overcome other martial artists who have practiced similar length as I have in another art! I know that its not the art but the individual who makes it work but I still think wing chun would be dominant to most arts out there

  219. Viet Says:

    Brandon, to experience a real life practical answer to your question about ground fighting, please call the San Jose Wing Chun group that works out in Stanford University. Ask to drop in and meet Sifu Kenneth Cheung. He will not only answer but show you all examples to any conceivable questions you may have. But don’t expect to be able to do what he does in a short period. Your tendons won’t be able to get strong quickly enough.

    Good luck.

  220. Daniel Says:

    I want to train in wing chun does anybody know of any good dojos around that teach wing chun

  221. BAH Says:

    Uh, Daniel…. We kinda need to know where you are located before anyone can recommend dojos in your area…?

  222. Daniel Says:

    I live in Indiana

  223. BAH Says:

    I would suggest using Google. I know of an instructor near Indianapolis. But Indiana is a big state, and I have no idea which part of Indiana you are talking about.

    Indy (Fishers) school:
    http://www.freewebs.com/indywingchun/

  224. Daniel Says:

    I live by northwest Indiana like highland and Schereriville area

  225. BAH Says:

    Sorry, don’t know of any WC schools in your area Daniel… Closest would be Chicago.

  226. rajvir Says:

    dimmak and wingchun classes conducted at mapusa Goa,India. Guys visit ww.ezeepages.com
    i was wondering whr i cn learn wingchun in goa. Bt fortunately i found a instructor. this guy is extraordinarily superhuman.

  227. mohit Says:

    Wing Chun kung fu classes conducted at Khorlim Mapusa goa. COntact this person… 9767530730 OR 9975977477. Your are right bro i visited this person n ws quiet impressed the way he moves. So quick, so fast and so efficiently. I am starting my classes this week. :) wing chun rocks

  228. sampada Says:

    wing chun classes in GOA

    oh ya.. i am studing here since last 6 months. our sir is one of the best WING CHUN masters i have ever seen. he is the only sir in goa. we hav the besst class wid all the necessory equipments required for martial arts as well as weights training.

  229. Sarvesh Says:

    Guys For Wing Chun Kung Fu Classes contact on below no:

    Venue & Phone :
    Khorlim Mapusa Goa. For details contact 09767530730

  230. IWCMAA Says:

    The International Wing Chun Martial Arts Association (IWCMAA) is now online and on Facebook. Check us out, we have schools in the USA, India and Brazil led by Master Sam Hing Fai Chan!

    http://www.wingchunmartialart.com/

    or

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/IWCMAA/

  231. IWCMAA Says:

    The IWCMAA is online and now on Facebook. Quality Wing Chun led by Master Sam Hing Fai Chan. Schools in the USA, India and Brazil.

    http://www.wingchunmartialart.com/

    or

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/IWCMAA/

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  237. Mikey Says:

    Hi, I am moving to the El Paso Texas area and have some Wing chun experience, anybody doing Wc down there? If so where? Cant find anything online. If I cant find Wing chun students or teacher, what is the most similar? Tai chi? Thanks for any answers…

  238. waqas Says:

    wing chun is the real power of self defence .

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